Palin Rally Incites Attendee to Shout "Kill Him!" Death Threat to Obama?

Waynester

This occurance was reported on CNN this morning with audio...

Are you saying it is not true?

I didn't say it wasn't true. There is an implication that Sarah Palin is responsible for every utterance of the audience, which is unfair, but par for the course.

 I said that the piece is an opinion piece by an Obama-supporting member of the drive-by media. It is not a straight news report as evidenced by the insertion of opinion by the writer, Dana Milbank.

Aww whine and cry about it waynester..  boo @!$%#ing hoo

Hey BA there is an CoH on Newsvine, it's located at the bottom of the page for your convenience I suggest you review it before making any more ill advised posts. Your post has been reported as inflammatory.

Waynester

There is an implication that Sarah Palin is responsible for every utterance of the audience, which is unfair, but par for the course

If you yell fire in a crowded area you are responsible for inciting a panic...

What is the difference here?

PALIN AND MCCAIN are hate mongering and creating a dangerous situation and standing back with smirks and winks

I think it is sick, disgusting, deplorable and basically shows the character of a thug raciest and nothing about this behavior seems Presidential..

I do not know how much rebub sheep kool-aid you have to drink to find this acceptable but this just stinks of desperation

Exactly.  You are not protected for yelling "Fire" in a theatre.  Palin is calling Obama a terrorist, and if action is taken against him for that reason, she can (and will, unless you want lots of roiting) be held responsable.

She could have instantly denounced and removed the person in question, but heck, that would take actual leadership ability.

So now telling the truth about a political rival is tantamount to the yelling fire exception to the first amendment. No sale. Not even close. Wouldn't pass even the most cursory examination by Constitutional experts. Political speech is the very thing the 1st amendment is intended to protect.

Waynester

Whipping a crowd into a "kill him " frenzy is what we are talking about.  Then taking no leadership role to squash the hateful rants...

You should know I voted last Tuesday the best you can do is cancel out my one vote...

You should also know I drive Obama supporters to the polls daily to make sure that we are moving towards...victory... see dems can say the word!!!

 So it's OK to label someone a terrorist because someone they knew had ties to a group? Those of you that believe that should never complain about GITMO. Hell don't complain if a soldier wigs out and shots an unarmed man in the desert. Don't complain when people call GW a baby killer. Don't whine when the shoe is on the other foot. After all what's good for 1 is good for all.

Apparently you're the one familiar with klan meetings. Why don't you enlighten us with more of your knowledge on the subject?

Well Waynester. I've never been to a Klan rally before, but I've seen them in films and documentaries. I feel confident that I know what the message is at such an event.

Let's see: Fear, xenophobia, hatred, racism, etc.

Are these people yelling out "We don't think the wealthy should be taxed"?
No, they are yelling out his Muslim sounding middle name and, for God's sake, "Kill him".

And you stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night too, huh? You really think that's what Sarah Palin was trying to incite? If you do your more pathetic than I even thought.

Geesh, Waynester I though we were great friends, now this????

Do I think McCain is playing to xenophobia and racism in America to raise questions about Obama?

ABSOLUTELY.

You'd be even redneckier than I thought if you didn't believe that.

Somebody has to raise questions about Obama, the worshipful media sure hasn't. Sorry if I was a little harsh but damn, you people sure do hyperventilate and paint with broad strokes...Some goober shouts something at a rally and suddenly all republicans are Hitler, Godwin's law notwithstanding, apparently.

Hey waynester, calling someone pathetic is a violation of the CoH.  Reported as inflammatory.

Waynester,

Let see...Palin and the Sherrif refering to him as 'Hussein', 'pallin' around with terrorists' and 'getting funds for foreigners', 'upset with the country' to a hisotrically racial-biased crowd.

All that was missing were the sheets

Obama referrs to himself as Hussein, what the problem? it's his name isn't it?

“Well, I think if you’ve got a guy named Barack Hussein Obama, that’s a pretty good contrast to George W. Bush.”

Barack Obama

He has palled around with both Bernadine Dorhn and Bill Ayers who are unrepentant terrorists, I still don't see anything untrue here.

Get off the racial issues, you people are so deluded in your hatered you'll do anyhting to discredit the opposition. 

I doubt you know what it feels like to witness or receive racism first hand. If you did you wouldn't be so quick and easy with the racial crap.  There are racial issues at play that is for sure but to call Palin a racist because of a comment some member of the crowd made (how do we know he wasn't a liberal plant) is patently obsurd.  GROW UP!

Hey junkie it was a conditional statement. Do you know what a conditional statement is? Nah, nevermind.

Waynester says, "Obama referrs to himself as Hussein, what the problem? it's his name isn't it?"

By the same reasoning then, why isn't it ok to bring up the clan?

According to their website, they say are a legal tax paying enterprise in the US who claim freedom of speech. Clan [sic] rallies and demonstrations are legal, they say they don't endorse violence and apparently feel misunderstood and maligned.

I don't support their beliefs by any means, but I do support the Constitution, even when it is difficult.

Of course, I don't know whether they helped organize this rally, just as well as you know that the middle name Hussein does not mean someone is a terrorist.

Whipping a crowd into a "kill him " frenzy

Again, wrong.

One person, not a crowd, not a few, not a couple, 1.

So if people Boo McCain at an Obama rally, he's "whipping a crowd into a frenzy?

Your stetching it, you know that don't you.

"Stretching it" is trying to compare a "boo" with a death rant. It should be taken seriously, and it would be taken seriously by Republicans had it been a threat made against McCain. God, they'd be all over it like stink on you-know-what.

Vision - Do you know that the guy was talking about Obama? Like I said Stretching it.

You don't know if the guy was talking about Obama, and you don't know if Sarah Palin even heard the guy. She has given this same speech in many different cities over the last several days, you get one retard, and now Sarah Palin is a hater, she spews hate and induces killing raids, she gets people all worked up to murder.......

Do you see my point? Stetching it!

Dreama,

Just one "retard"? I beg to differ, and you need to get your facts straight.

The event that occurred at Palin's rally was repeated at McCain's in Albuquerque when McCain asked his asinine rhetorical question, "Who is Barack Obama?" And a man in the U.K. was shot three times for wearing an Obama T-shirt. So, yes, the call for assassination, because that's precisely what it is, was directed squarely at Obama.

The only thing that's being stretched in this contest is the Republican Party's credibility. McCain and Palin have taken the Party into the gutter, and the rabble-rousing they're both doing is proof. When a presidential (or veep) candidate incites this kind of hatred against another presidential candidate, it is beyond the pale.

This is not the United States I grew up in or remember. McCain and Palin have demonstrated sewer tactics in their desperate attempt to take over this country.

Well then they better be beefing up the Secret Service because I refuse to let anyone scare me away from voting for the cadidate I think is best for the country.

Nice to see the open minded and kind liberal left out in force...You should be ashamed of yourself calling people you don't even know such names. What hatred there must be in the soul of someone who would say such things.

Wayne,

Yesterday at that rally we saw a man in uniform talking about "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" and while that is his given name, I don't think you can dispute that the guy emphasized his middle name because it sounds MUSLIM. Then Sarah Palin gets up on the stump and twists the nature of Obama's relationship to some guy who he associated with years and years ago by saying that Obama is "pallin around" with a "domestic terrorist." Connect the dots here. The McCain isn't saying don't trust Obama because of his policies or his stance on the issues. They're saying you can't trust him because he just might be a Muslim and a terrorist. Beyond the fact that that is UTTER NONSENSE, can you not admit that those two words are not the strongest hate-mongering epithets that one could come up with when talking to the already angry-as-hell right wing base??

The point is that the Republican campaign is inciting and encouraging this hatred, not trying to abate it, and that is IRRESPONSIBLE and WRONG!

I, like many folks here, first met Barack Obama when he gave his speech at the 2004 DNC. If you want to know the reasons why I believe in Barack Obama and not in John McCain here's part of that speech for you. Read this and you tell me - which message promotes the kind of country we want to raise our children in:

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes.

Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America.

There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states.

We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states.

There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

 In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism, or do we participate in a politics of hope?

I think the question is one of judgement and political leanings. He's associated with both ACORN and Ayers and Dorhn. Not to mention Wright.And Rezko. He is also associated with Rashid Halidi a radical Palestinian advocate. He has never shown anything but a proclivity for left wing politics and that is the problem. He has had a chance to be a courageous bi-partisan reformer but demurred and played it safe No one has called him a terrorist despite the hyperbole on display on this and other threads.

I think Palin should keep it up, it appears a nerve has been struck.

Wayne, your off base.  One could look at my comments on past articles and see that if ANYTHING I have gave Palin a fare shake, defended her even.  I'm sorry when you allow a crowd of your supporters to attempt to incite violence against another American citizen, a Presidential candidate no less you truly are filthy.  I certainly don't hate Palin, never have.  What I do hate is when someone does not defend those deserving of defense.  She could have stooped her speech right there and said, "Hold on everybody, We want to beat Obama and we don't like what he stands for but he's an American citizen and deserves at least that much respect."  So as a result of Plalin not standing up for a fellow citizen and actually allowing people to incite violence against another... she's garbage and has a filthy dirty mouth.

Jeff

Get over yourself. The U.S. is bombing and invading Pakistan illegally and they have killed civillians in Afganistan, Iraq, etc...

McCain gave information to the Viet-Cong while a captor. No other POW can back up McCain's "torture" claims while he/they were POW's.

Palin claims to be a "Joe Six Pack" her net worth is over $1.2 million and now I read they owe thousands in back taxes.

How do you know the "kill him" was in reference to Ayers? Were you there? Did Fox News report it? According to stories, Palin/McCain are barring reporters from attending the rallies and reporting on anything negative!

I have lost respect for McCain since he in 1973 told a magazine the US News and World report and I quote 

"O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." He left and came back with a doctor, a guy that we called "Zorba," who was completely incompetent. He squatted down, took my pulse. He did not speak English, but shook his head and jabbered to "The Bug." I asked, "Are you going to take me to the hospital?" "The Bug" replied, "It's too late." I said, "If you take me to the hospital, I'll get well."

He [McShame] gave information for medical treatment. No wonder his Military record remains sealed to this day! Giving information to the enemy is a violation of the UCMJ [do a search for the UCMJ].. He is a disgrace to the uniform. I served my country during desert storm in the early 1990's. He is not a hero and should have been dishonorably dischagred from the Navy.

Jeff says, "I am sick of you lefties.  Obama accuses our military of air raiding and killing civilians in afghanistan."

Sarah Palin may not be the most unbiased source for information regarding Obama.

mediamatters.org reports:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates recently apologized for deaths resulting from coalition airstrikes, saying in a September 17 statement, "I offer all Afghans my sincere condolences and personal regrets for the recent loss of innocent life as a result of coalition airstrikes. While no military has ever done more to prevent civilian casualties, it is clear that we have to work even harder. I have asked for a detailed briefing this afternoon about our close air support as well as our intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance operations."

Gates' comments were noted in an Associated Press report published, among other places, on FoxNews.com.

broken record Jeff. thats all you are.. You have no life Jeff.. Out of an Obama presidency we will get America back on track. With a Mclame one we get World War 3. Hence McCain's comments of "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" I would prefer not to see anymore wars, especially a nuclear one under McBomb Bomb!

Jeff asks, "What do you people think you will get out of an Obama presidency."

The best president America has had in a long long long time.

The comment at #35.1 is irresponsible.

LIAMD:

I bet there were a lot of Germans who defended Goebbel and Hitler too.  They kept blindly believing what they were told and closing their eyes to the truth, even as their Jewish neighbors were being carted off to concentration camps.

When will people like you wake up and see what is going on in America today?  How many times do your "chosen ones" have to keep lying to you and driving our economy and standing in the world into the dust before you realize that you've tied your lifeboat to a sinking ship?  

Wake up - before it's too late for America! 

Godwin's law has been confirmed yet again. Detracking.

good riddance...

Lisa,
Here's another one for you to delete.  Those who want to be so stupid as to use hate to make a point are lost to reason and incapable of rational thought.

I'm glad you'll allow hate mongers, but those that point it out are bad to you. Good job. Keep up the good work.

from the wiki on Godwin's Law:

"However, Godwin's Law itself can be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin's Law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons."

wake up America, please.

Palin acted like a "fluffy bunny" in the debate, Lisa, she is reaping what she sowed.

Now, how does Obama deserve to have people yelling "kill him!" at a Palin rally? Why did Palin not say something to the man?

Oh and if Obama has to apologize for his advisors saying Palin is a fluffy bunny, then McCain and Palin both need to apologize for likening Obama to a terrorist, right?

TJG---McCain-Palin do not need to apologize for any of the friends Obama has chosen for himself. That would be an apology that should be coming from Obama, not McCain-Palin.

Jones,

Obama is tied to Ayers (a known terrorist) that is undeniable, you can dismiss it all you like it doesn't change the fact.  And the fact is neither McCain or Palin have said Obama is or is like a terrorist.  That is an assumption the left makes due to your own knowledge of Obama's choices in friends and associates.  The right has only pointed out the association and asked for clairifcation of the relationship which Obama flatly denies exisits and you lap it up without question or scruinty.  If you are going to believe Obama at his word than you have to do the same for McCain and Palin to do otherwise is hyprocrisy.

LIAMD---any chance obama had to be perceived as honest in my opinion went flying out the door during the whole Reverend Wright controversy earlier this year when the candidate himself lied to us repeatedly about the nature of his relationship with Wright and his knowledge of the hateful anti-American rhetoric spewing from his own Pastor's mouth.

Ah, Lisa and LIAMD, justifying McCain and Palin's hatemongering, how predictable

.At least the public isn't buying it, just the true believers.Ayers is not a close friend of Obama's and Obama has denounced his so-called "terrorist" activites that occurred when Obama was 8. 

Try again, republicans.  And McCain and Palin are openly trying to make Obama = terrorist, only a true believer would deny that.Your fluffy bunny and angry man candidates are desperate and it shows.

Oh and Lisa, you might not want to bring up pastors, given Sarah's wackadoodle witch-hunting pastor. LOL.

Jones,

You so easily forgot, Obama has denounced everything in his past that doesn't play well for a national audience, how convenient!  The only hate mongers I see are the ones using hate on this thread to further the lefts hatred of the right. 

Again, I'll go back to the stick to the issues and we'll all be better off.  Your candidate is just as dirty and vial as what you are trying to amke Palin out to be. 

Remember, Everyone gets dirty in the mud!

Obama hasn't started the dirty tricks and words in this campaign, that was McCain, who has nothing left.

If McCain is so correct on the issues and has the right plan for the country, why isn't he running on that? 

Because your beloved liberal media won't allow the cadidiates to talk issues, only dirt to get rating. So, when they do talk issues those don;t make for good sound bytes and no one on the left ever hears them.

LIAMD--the other thing that REALLY annoys me about the in-the-tank-for-Obama media is that they are all but telling us that Obama has already won the election and that anyone planning to vote for McCain might as well just stay home. It's unbelievable. It reminds me of 2000 when the networks called Florida for Gore before the polls were even closed. Unbelievable!

Then please, enlighten us on one issue McCain has given an actual plan for that the media has not reported on?

gamerk2,

I will not play your game.   If you have been paying attention you know full well what the 2 candidates advocate.  The media has not provided equal and even coverage and you know it.  If I felt you were sincere I would answer your question but since I do not get you are we will end this exchange now.

Equal coverage? The media tries to tear down Obama every chance it gets. But McCain gets a free pass. Such with referring to the Iraq/Pakistan border (no common shared border exists), Czechoslovakia 2x (its actually the Czech Republic now).

McCain gave military information to the Viet-Cong when he was a POW. How's that grab you?

lisaed, you hit the nail on the head. Obama`s pastor is a scary character yet Obama claims that he and his " saintly " yet racist wife claimed to never having seen him act or speak in a negative way about this country. As for Palins pastor, he is a far cry from Obama`s racist pastor. That is all this joke of a presidential race has been about from day one, Obama`s obvious racial agenda.

Because your beloved liberal media won't allow the cadidiates to talk issues, only dirt

LOL, it's the MEDIA's fault that McCain has to go negative?

Not so much, but I guess you had to have some sort of rejoinder, LOL.

All of you complaining of Wright, what do you think of McCain seeking Hagee's blessing and Palin's witch-hunting pastor?

Quit running from the debate, answer my questions and then we can talk about yours.  Tit for tat doesn't move us forward, now does it?

They obviously have nothing to say about the economy...thus "turn the page" to personal attacks, smear and fear!

As stupid Americans who are too dumb to look behind the curtain we are supposed to blindly follow the bumbling little man and the bimbo right off the edge.

NOT THIS TIME!

why isn't he in jail.

Rhonda--Well - as I recall he got off on a technicality. The fact is he was guilty as charged and said many years after the fact that he "didn't do enough" in the way of bombing/terrorizing his own country.

as I recall he got off on a technicality

Like mccain with the K-5?...

Oh or was that just daddy's money that made his jail time go bye bye?

Simmons---no---don't swallow the obama revisionist history kool-aid. This is the fact:

"The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

lisaed

Don't talk to me about kool-aid when you are rolling around in it...

I do not need to read wikipedia when I was around to understand for myself.

You need to do more research or ask somebody who knows...

simmons---nope. The facts speak for themselves. McCain more than made up for any error in judgement during Keating Five by dedicated his life to reform in the Senate. What has obama done to make up for his error in judgement re: Rezko, Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Khalidi....shall I continue? He's done NOTHING but tell us they are "no longer" his friends......telling us that crap on the campaign trial does not undo the lapse in his judgement in choosing to pal around with these types.

Lisa,

While you are correct McCain was guilty of the points you mentioned he has a history that shows he moved away and tried to make ammends not just campaign speeches were he denounces things that have happened in the past couple years and has no record to validate his words, i.e. Obama.

 If Obama simply knowing Ayers means he is guilty something

It's a little more complicated thatn that Lisa.  Evidently you have not been made aware of the Daley papers that were released a couple of weeks ago.  Not surprising.  The MSM has tried to be hands off on this issue so as not to hurt the Chosen One.

But the facts are clear.  Ayers founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and he appointed Obama his chairman to dole out the funds for radical education programs.

From this source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

Lisa1717---oh, no you don't. Obama's relationship with Ayers is much more than "simply knowing" him. Mccain devoted his life to doing reform work after making a mistake in judgement. What I ASK YOU AGAIN - has Obama done to make up for his various lapses in judgement re: wright, rezko, ayers, dohrn, khalidi, etc etc etc.....Still waiting for an answer on that one and in the manner of katie couric I want multiple specific examples from his record in the U.S. Senate. And while we're on the subject of the U.S. Senate ---please provide multiple specific examples from Obama's record there that demonstrate he is qualified to be our President (note: time spent campaigning for President does not count). Thank you.

Well, yeah.  What was he going to say, "I support the K5, elect me."?

Lisa1717---what is it about Barack Obama's U.S. Senate record indicates to you that he is an agent of change??? Multiple specific examples from his U.S. Senate record will be appreciated. I'm particularly interested in examples where Obama did not toe the dem party line.

How is this relevant to Obama's denouncement of all his friends since becoming the (D) candidate?
How has deregulation hurt us? As I see regulating the banking industry to mandate giving loans to those who can't pay them pack is the real issue. Legislating fairness DOES NOT WORK, when will the liberals get that through their heads.

LIAMD ---makes me wonder about the friends we still don't know about....or if he plans to "refriend" these characters after he is safely away in our White House.

The link cited above is from an opinion piece by a hack from a HARD RIGHT ideologue think tank, i.e., no credibility. For these people, any non-parochial school is "radical". 

It goes beyond the friendships.  Expect to see an article in the next day or so about the Radical Education programs Obama was pushing for Ayers.  Ayers is unrepenant about his radical teachings and support.  With the release of more of the CAC documents, we are now getting a far more sinister view of Obama's invovlement.

Lisa1717---I disagree with your premise that Governor Palin incited violence against Obama. The mere suggestion is hateful and disgusting---and in that sense not so different than the hateful words against obama spoken at that rally.

Lisa1717:

What amazes me about most right wingers is their sanctimonious, holier than thou attitudes. 

Let's be clear... I agree with you... but we are talking about the extremists who are guilty of hijacking the Republican party.  (Yes, lisaed... if I can anticipate your thoughts... there are extremists among the Democrats as well.)

Many Republicans are sick of the radical right take-over and are looking forward to the day that they can regain the respect they deserve.

Lisa1717---and furthermore---your headline here is inaccurate and should be modified.

We haven't lost yet, but I can ask why didn't you get over Gore and Kerry's loss? I thought liberals were so open, tolerant and accepting, NOT!

I think it was because we knew what Bush was going to do to our country that we haven't been able to get over. So let's see - the Bush administration lied to the American public to get us into a senseless war that has seen over 4000 American casualties, the Bush administration horribly mishandled and abandoned New Orleans when a major catastrophe struck, the Bush administration has enacted policies that have thrown our schools into a tailspin and then they managed to stand by while the economy was cratering.

Once again, this ain't a football game - this isn't about people that HATE to lose - it's about wanting the best for our country and not the ABSOLUTE WORST.

Lisa, I always try to be unbiased on these boards because I am still undecided about who I am voting for. But I do want to know, since the people who are for Obama keep bringing it up over and over again, what exactly is it about Obama's policies that you see as "the best for our country?"

I think the problem with myself and many other undecided voters is that we don't know enough about Obama to be able to understand his policies. He has not been in politics long enough (and his record of voting in Chicago shows that he was a little on the fence with many issues) and some of his policies could be seen as hurting America more than helping, especially if you are a member of the more conservative base. So what can you say about that to sway me towards him? (Because I'm not liking what I'm seeing of McCain/Palin so far.)

Hello Comeonpeople...are you asking Me Lisa or the Author Lisa? Heh... there are a lot of Lisas around here today.

Doesn't matter! LOL! I just want someone to tell me exactly what it is they know of Obama and his policies that will make him so great!

I think it's irritating to me because you can just see the sheer hysteria in people's faces when they talk about Obama or when they hear something negative about him. It always bothers me to see people put on a pedestal like that because, inevitably, they will fall. They are human. People seem to be forgetting that about Barack.

Comeonpeople,

Well, I think there's an important clarification to be made here about how Obama supporters view Obama. I don't think any of us are going to say that he's some kind of infallible god, that he's never done wrong, that he doesn't have skeletons in his closet etc etc. For example, I felt let down by him when he caved on the off-shore drilling issue. I thought his initial policy was the right one, and then he changed it because popular opinion clearly didn't agree. BUT, I will also say that when I watched his speech in 2004 at the DNC, I felt like for the first time in my life, I was listening to a politician whose message really resonated with me, and my immediate gut reaction was, "This is a special person. This is a good person." But I've thought that about many people I've known in my life. I don't think any of them are GODS! And I guess I'm not so cynical about the human race to think that it's not possible that a politician could have those qualities.

Now, as far as his policies. Well, I'm a liberal, so yeah, I like a lot of his policies. If you check out the difference between Obama and McCain's senate voting records (I actually have a comparison of them in a post in my column), you'll see that Obama generally voted in favor of social programs for things like education, health care, alternative energy, veterans affairs etc etc. John McCain's voting record shows that he doesn't like to spend money on ANY of these things. So someone who isn't in favor of big government is probably going to like John McCain's record. Personally, I don't.

In general, I feel like many of Obama's plans for his administration are forward-thinking. He's done his homework about trends in our society, our economy, the environment and our role in the global stage, and it seems to me that he wants to move the way our country operates from the 20th century model to the 21st century model, things that to me seem imperative for us to maintain ourselves as a formidable force in the world. He also is a strong proponent of making Americans take responsibility for contributing to this, through service and work programs, based on the premise that American work power is one of the biggest untapped resources in our country in terms of social, environmental and economic change. In other words, he's not just setting up programs where the government does everything.

But I guess the biggest reason I'm supporting Obama over McCain is a matter of judgement. Like I said, I think that Obama is a more thoughtful type, more likely to step back and weigh all factors of a situation before acting. That's a quality that I feel was horribly lacking in the last administration and I must say, it seems to be lacking as well in John McCain. For example, John McCain talks about bringing home our troops in victory, not defeat. Well, no one wants our troops to be defeated, but what exactly does a victory mean in Iraq? He has not defined that for us. And he hasn't really talked about why this "victory" is even possible. It seems like he keeps moving the goal posts and meanwhile we're losing American lives, depleting our bank account, diminishing our ability to handle other crisis abroard, and destroying our credibility with our allies. Barack Obama wants to take steps to get Iraq to take responsibility for their own government, so we can re-focus our military resources on the places where they are needed more. That sounds more like victory to me.

If there's one thing I want to emphasize above all else, it's that supporting someone doesn't equate worship, and it frustrates me TO NO END when people who support Obama are accused as such. We're not brainless, we're capable of thinking for ourselves, and we have and after that thinking, we've decided that we believe that Obama as president would be best for this country. Frankly, and I'm not speaking to you personally, it just seems like a means of discounting any real argument about the issues when it gets chalked up to that we're "drinking the Kool-aid."

Well, I could go on and on. Hope this helped in your question. My post is already too long.

Nice comment Lisa, you could probably turn it into a good article.

Thanks, Mego...

I actually have written stuff like this in my column, but it disappears off the NV radar pretty quickly, so they dont get read all that much. I'm sure I'm not alone in that one. Oh well!

Lisa, GREAT, GREAT POST. I feel exactly the same way you do, believe it or not. But you have to admit, there are some "kool-aid drinkers" on both sides, and I should have made that clear. If you've read any of my other posts you know I think the John McCain CRAZIES are just as nuts as the Barack Obama CRAZIES! I'm just not for anyone voting on party, race, or gender. We should vote on ISSUES.

Again, GREAT POST!

Thanks Comeonpeople, glad you liked it....I'm still curious to find out who you're thinking of voting for and why!

I do admit there are crazies on both sides. There are crazies everywhere! But I have to get up on my soapbox yet again just to say the that "Kool-aid drinking" line being used on ANYONE makes ME crazy, and here's why.

First of all, it's a TERRIBLE REFERENCE!! Some 900 men, women and children died in that incident. I don't know, I find it disrespectful to them, and it makes me sad to think that their lives ended so tragically, whatever the reason.

But the main reason I hate that line is because it's basically saying that someone cannot and does not think for themselves, and has decided to blindly follow a leader with for NO REASON. I'm sorry, but this is America. We're the most individualistic society on the planet. I haven't met too many Americans who like to be told what to do or what to think. And it's too easy to forget on NV where all you know about the people you're talking with are the words they are typing. We all have a place and a life that we're coming from that brings us to think the way we do, and though we might think they're misinformed or we don't agree, I think it's safe to say that they have thought about things, and that they care, which is why we're all here.

I don't know...all the fighting on NV these days is stressing me out!!!!!!!

Funny thing is, under Navy rules, you lose your wings for 6 months after one crash, and lose them entirely after two.  I wonder who he called to keep flying...not his dad though, McCain would never do that...

Of course, if he was removed from piloting to begin with like the rules state, he never would have been shot down to begin with.  Incompetent pilot gets shot down?  Wow, what a surprise there.

Also, someone please tell me: how does being a Navy pilot qualify you to run the military anyway?

40.1 you're right.  Had he not been the grandson and son of two admirals he'd have never made it through Annapolis, let alone be a pilot. 

Don't forget. Her Wassila Main Street had 43 known meth labs for a population of 6,000.

Sounds like just the kind of Main Street i want to stay away from

790 out of 795 in his graduating class. How does one become an Aviator in the Navy with that record? 5 planes downed and he kept flying. WHOA

It's a good thing he isn't running for pilot in chief. And he didn't fly after number five, as he was in captivity. One had nothing to do with him as it was hit by a missle fired by an electrical surge from another aircraft on the deck of the USS Forestal. No, he wasn't the best of pilots but that isn't really relevant, else we would have elected Chuck Yeager for 2 terms. And one of the best pilots in Military history went bad in the house (Duke Cunningham)

Who is a person that will do this?

Answer: A typical fake Christian Publican Hypocrite Scumperson Politician

But do you think he will proud if he wins this way? 

I wonder ,if after this is all over, will there be any repercussion for McCain and his blatant dirty tactics.?

I say this because his alter ego, years back, denounced this type of campaign as a place he would never go.

I guess I'm asking will this McCain ever have a day of reckoning with the 2000 McCain?

What an oxymoron- a Republican with integrity?

Bluntly, from the look of him these days, I don't think John McCain has much time left to work things out with his conscience, whether he wins or loses in November.

But do you think he will proud if he wins this way?

Probably doesn't matter. All our society cares about is the winner and damn the way how they got there.